The Yodfather

The Yodfather

TABLE OF CONTENTS

DON’T RELY ON JUST THE COO TO IDENTIFY A FIGURE. Sculpt, Paint colour, plastic colour and figure assembly traits are also needed to confirm your figures origins.

COO Family I

Kader (HK)

KADER 1980 HONG KONG

Above you can see following variants (left to right):

  • “Grey Head” Hong Kong COO
    Believed to be the first version of the Kader figure. This early version is where the “MADE IN HONG KONG” cloth tag was found, though I should add the figure was more commonly issued with a cloak without the tag. This cloth tag was most likely deemed an unnecessary step and dropped from production early on.
  • “Grey Head” Hong Kong COO
    The typical Kader figure from this period. The head and snake plastic from this era can degrade to near grey in certain conditions. Mid green head and black eyes. 
  • “Palitoy” Hong Kong COO
    Not a necessary inclusion, but a minor batch variation on the standard Kader figure, which is confirmed on the Palitoy 30 & 41bk cards. Features a mid-green head and big round greyish-brown eyes. This batch variation is found with a mix of Kader accessories including a degraded greenish EPM snake, hard EPM belt, dark EPM cane and lighter brown cape.
The Kader figure has been nicknamed “Grey head” due to Kader HK plastic’s propensity to degrade from green to grey. Kader HK Yoda had a late start with with the first example confirmed on the 41d, and running through to the ESB 48c with revenge offer.
 
Key details for the Kader HK Yoda are:
  • Head plastic that degrades to grey or has grey spotting.
  • Pacman eye spray mask with a small mouth
  • Black or dark brown eyes
  • Stubby toes compared to the Unitoy or Smile moulds

ACCESSORIES

SNAKE: Soft brown plastic with EPM on head. Kader plastic pigmentation often degrades from brown to green.
CANE: Soft mid brown or darker brown plastic EPM mould.
BELT: Hard mid brown with EPM on the front of the lightsaber
CLOAK: Kader HK used a light brown fabric which has deep ribs and isn’t fluffy. Earliest cloak has a MIHK cloth tag. The “Palitoy” Yoda has a lighter shade of brown cloak.

KADER CHINA (No COO)

KADER CHINA 1980 No COO

(The figures above show correct accessory pairings, however they have also been confirmed with other accessory combinations as detailed below)

Above you can see following variants (left to right):

  • KADER HK/KADER CHINA “Transition”
    Kader HK COO torso with a matt green NCOO era head. Kader China refined the plastic used for Yoda’s head which and achieved a more stable colour that doesn’t aggressively degrade like the previous HK made “Grey head” version. The  matt green K.China head above left, is combined with overstock torso and limbs from the Kader HK factory, hence the “transition” label.
  • “Green Head” No COO
    The typical No COO figure from this period. Matt green head with dark brown Pacman shaped eyes.
  • “POTF” era No COO
    Matt green head with brown Pacman shaped eyes.
  • “MECCANO” No COO (French Trilogo exclusive)
    Matt green head with black, near-rounded eyes. The limb paint is also slightly darker on the Meccano batch. This Kader China made figure isn’t produced by Meccano in France, rather it’s a batch variation with certain characteristics that just happens to be found exclusively in France.
With the F1 Kader Hong Kong moulds in Mexico with Lili Ledy, Kader China was sent the F2 Unitoy figure and accessory moulds, the HK COO was removed and production began for the No COO figure.
 
The first cardback containing the No COO Kader China Yoda was 65c with Emperor offer. This figure continued through the 77 and 92 POTF cardbacks.
 
Key details for the Kader China Yoda are:
  • Matt green head.
  • Pacman eye spray mask with a small mouth
  • Pacman eye spray mask were used with dark brown (NCOO), brown (POTF) or black pupils (Meccano)
  • Stubby toes compared to the Unitoy or Smile moulds

ACCESSORIES

Kader China took both the Kader HK & Unitoy moulds and produced their own line of Yoda accessories. They used a softer, more flexible plastic which is how they can be differentiated from their Kader HK & Unitoy counterparts. Kader China also paired their Yodas with overstock Unitoy HK accessories.

SNAKE: Soft mid brown EPM, Soft mid brown Unitoy, or overstock Unitoy HK snakes.
CANE: Soft reddish-brown EPM, Soft reddish-brown Unitoy, or overstock dark brown Unitoy canes.
BELT: Soft mid brown EPM, Soft mid brown Unitoy, or overstock Unitoy HK belts. The Unitoy mould can have a cluster of small “bumps” on the inside of the lightsaber.
CLOAK: Kader China thinner fabric, or overstock Unitoy fluffy cloaks.

LILI LEDY/PBP (NO COO)

LILI LEDY 1980 No COO

Above you can see following variants (left to right):

  • LILI LEDY “RETORNO” Hong Kong COO
    The earliest Lili Ledy produced version of Yoda. Orange-brown eyes and lighter limbs.
  • “Transition” Hong Kong COO (not shown above)
    Regreso era darker-green head, on a Retorno era Hong Kong COO torso.
  • “REGRESO” NO COO
    Vibrant, darker-green head with a matt sheen. Commonly has tacky paint on the limbs.
  • “REGRESO” NO COO
    Vibrant, darker-green head with a glossy sheen. Commonly has tacky paint on the limbs.
  • “REGRESO” SHORT EARS
    Vibrant, darker-green head with a glossy sheen. A factory error which resulted in a short shot of plastic and ears which aren’t fully formed.
In Mexico, Yoda was released on three different cardbacks: Imperio Contraataca, Retorno and Regreso. The Retorno Yoda was also sold to the US market on the Kenner 65 & 77 back Made in Mexico cards.
 
The earliest Imperio cardback contained an imported Kenner figure. This detail is debated among collectors, as Mexico at the time had laws in place to encourage sales of goods made from within the country. The fact this Imperio figure and his accessories are a perfect match to the Smile factory Hong Kong made Yoda means we know these figures were brought into Mexico somehow. Aside from an interview with an elderly LL factory worker, to date there’s  been no more reliable evidence provided to support the claim this Yoda was locally produced. Poch/PBP Spain in the same period, and with a matching strategy, imported HK figures to test the market on their 31 back Imperio Poch era cards.
 
The Retorno era variant was the first Yoda made in Mexico. He’s produced from the Family 1 HK COO Kader moulds. The colour scheme with orange-brown eyes, lighter green limbs and an orange snake is a similar look to the Smile figure which appeared previously in Mexico on the Imperio card.
 
The Regreso-era Yoda is produced within Mexico from the Kader China No COO moulds. As can be seen above, there were two different sheens (matt & glossy) to the head plastic during this period of production. There is a hard to find “transition” version which features a dark green Regreso head on the torso of a Hong Kong Retorno figure. The short-eared version is just a factory error where the molten plastic didn’t travel to the outer extremities of the head cavity.
 
The Regreso Yoda was also exported directly to both the US on the 65 back Kenner “Made in Mexico” cards and also to Spain and found on the 65 back PBP card.

ACCESSORIES

SNAKE: Glossy mid brown with EPM
CANE: Retorno: Hard red-brown EPM cane / Regreso: Hard red EPM cane
BELT: Hard yellow-brown EPM. With or without a painted silver dot on the rear buckle.
CLOAK: Fluffy light brown cloak

COO Family II

Unitoy (HK)

UNITOY 1980 HONG KONG

Above you can see following variants (left to right):

  • “CHERRY EYES” Hong Kong COO
    The earliest Unitoy produced version of Yoda. Dark orange “cherry” eyes. Bright green head and lighter limbs. This early version is where the “MADE IN HONG KONG” paper tag was found, though I should add the cloak is more commonly issued without this tag. This paper tag was most likely deemed an unnecessary step and dropped from production early on.
  • “ORANGE EYES” Hong Kong COO
    Orange coloured pupils, a bright green head and lighter limbs.
  • “APPLE HEAD” Hong Kong COO (Transition figure)
    Dark brown pupils, darker green head and limbs. Orange snake and a dark brown Unitoy cane. Less of a variant, this is a transition figure which was assembled from an over-supply of orange snakes before moving to browns.
  • “APPLE HEAD” Hong Kong COO
    Dark brown pupils, darker green head and limbs. Dark-brown cane and rigid brown snake.

The earliest Unitoy Yoda’s produced featured orange snakes. “Cherry eyes” Yoda debuted on the 32b Unitoy card. By the 41a wave, the darker eye colour was adjusted to mid-orange.

Shortly thereafter on the 41d card, a cosmetic change darkening the green on Yoda’s head occurs. This has been nicknamed “Apple head”. Apple heads could be found initially with the orange snake, which made way for the rigid brown snake on the 41d era, which was also their last.

ACCESSORIES

SNAKE: Rigid orange / Rigid brown (gate scar on mouth)
CANE: Hard light brown / Hard dark brown (gate scar on the upper hook). These come in two widths for both light and dark canes
BELT: Thick, hard grey brown (deep holes on the belt interior)
CLOAK: Light brown fluffy fabric

POCH/ PBP

Poch (F1 & F2 HK)

PBP (F1 NCOO)

F1 & F2 HK/ F1 NCOO

POCH 1980 HONG KONG

Above you can see following variants (left to right):

  • POCH “APPLE HEAD” Hong Kong COO
    Assembled from parts supplied from the Unitoy factory in Hong Kong and sent to PBP in Spain during their early “Poch” era. The paint in this example is Spanish, but parts used can sometimes be pre-painted by Kenner.
  • POCH “GREY HEAD” Hong Kong COO
    Assembled from parts supplied from the Kader factory in Hong Kong and sent to PBP in Spain during their early “Poch” era. The paint in this example is Spanish, but parts used can sometimes be pre-painted by Kenner.

  • LILI LEDY (PBP) “REGRESO” NO COO
    This figure was produced in Mexico by Lili Ledy and exported to Spain for PBP to distribute on their 65bk cards. Vibrant, darker-green head with a glossy sheen. Commonly has tacky paint on the limbs.

The Poch Yoda figure has been confirmed on the Imperio 37/41, 45/47, PBP 65 and Trilogo cardbacks.

Poch figures are a combination of Asian produced Unitoy or Kader parts which were exported to Spain in the late ESB era. Most parts were painted in Spain, but occasionally figures can be found with HK paint on some of the parts, which must have been applied prior to export. In many cases, Poch figures are homogeneous to their source, but mixed up figures do exist.

To identify if a Yoda is Poch or Kenner. As with all Poch figures, the best way to confirm what you have is know the Kenner figure line beforehand. The unique light-green hands and feet are the first tell, but looking at the naked figure, there is often common melt marks, heavy plastic welding, mixed-up factory limbs, different paint across the limbs, plastic spotting, poor articulation or paint overspray are all signs that can be used to help confirm a figures origins. 

ACCESSORIES

SNAKE: Kader soft light brown EPM / Unitoy Rigid brown
CANE: Kader soft mid brown EPM / Unitoy hard dark brown
BELT: Kader hard mid brown EPM / Unitoy hard grey brown
CLOAK: Kader light brown ribbed fabric / Unitoy fluffy fabric

COO Family III

Smile (HK)

SMILE 1980 HONG KONG

Above you can see following variants (left to right):

  • “DISCO BOOTS” Hong Kong COO
    One of the first Smile produced Yoda’s features elevated soles to his feet. The “Disco Boots” has been confirmed on a 32bk MOC and was phased out for the flat foot variation fairly quickly. The nickname is a throwback to the Death Star Commander “Disco Boots” variant with platform heels. This Yoda can also have the regular “flat foot” leg mixed with the disco sculpt.
  • “CHERRY EYES” Hong Kong COO
    Need confirmation from Wolff about this variant.
  • “LIGHT GREEN” Hong Kong COO
    The standard early Smile factory release with orange pupils and light green head.
  • “DARK GREEN” Hong Kong COO 
    The standard later Smile version with dark brown pupils and dark green head.
  • “DARK GREEN” Hong Kong COO
    The later Smile factory version with dark brown pupils and dark green head.
    The slightly smaller, rigid green snake is believed to have turned up in a batch of Palitoy overstock. There has been some debate whether this green version was intentionally green, a fake or it’s simply just degraded plastic. The later Smile Yoda’s had cloaks with a pinker hue to them.

Smile Yoda debuted on a 32b cardback. The earliest Smile Yoda’s featured orange snakes. On the 41d card, the darker green cosmetic change to Yoda’s head, darker cane and the brown snake appears.

Smile Yoda continued to the 79bk, Trilogo and has also been found in the “Made in Macau” baggie.

ACCESSORIES

SNAKE: Hard orange / Soft brown (gate scar midway on body)
CANE: Hard light brown / Hard dark brown (gate scar on base of cane)
BELT: Thin, soft yellow brown w/double pin clasp
CLOAK: Light brown / Pinkish semi-ribbed fabric

COO Family IV

Top Toys (NO COO)

TOP TOYS No COO

This licensed figure from Argentina was cast from the Kenner production figure and doesn’t feature a COO. The overall size is 10% smaller and the quality is very poor, akin to bootlegs of the time. These feature excess flashing on the components, uneven paint application, poor joint articulation and are produced in sub-standard plastics. This all helps to account for the rarity of the figure.

ACCESSORIES

SNAKE: Top Toys soft orange brown
CANE: Top Toys rigid dark brown
BELT: Top Toys rigid dark brown. Fragile and extremely prone to fracturing
CLOAK: Top Toys fluffy off-white or light brown fabric

temp: accessory combos

KADER
SNAKE: Soft light brown EPM
CANE: Soft mid brown / dark brown EPM (order of release?)
BELT: Hard mid brown EPM
CLOAK: Light brown ribbed fabric

KADER CHINA
SNAKE: Soft mid brown EPM / Soft mid brown Unitoy  / Unitoy overstock
CANE: Soft reddish-brown EPM / Soft reddish-brown Unitoy / Dark brown Unitoy overstock
BELT: Soft mid brown EPM / Soft mid brown Unitoy / Unitoy overstock
CLOAK: Thin fabric

MECCANO
SNAKE: As above
CANE: As above
BELT: Soft mid brown EPM / Soft mid brown Unitoy (can have bumps) / Unitoy overstock
CLOAK: As above

LILI LEDY RETORNO
SNAKE: Glossy mid brown EPM
CANE: Hard reddish brown EPM
BELT: Hard yellow-brown EPM ???
CLOAK: Light brown fluffy fabric

LILI LEDY REGRESO
SNAKE: Glossy mid brown EPM
CANE: Hard reddish dark brown EPM
BELT: Hard yellow-brown EPM ???
CLOAK: Light brown fluffy fabric

UNITOY
SNAKE: Rigid orange / Rigid brown
CANE: Hard light brown / Hard dark brown 
BELT: Thick, hard grey brown
CLOAK: Fluffy fabric

POCH
SNAKE: Kader soft light brown EPM / Unitoy Rigid brown
CANE: Kader soft mid brown EPM / Unitoy hard dark brown
BELT: Kader hard mid brown EPM / Unitoy hard grey brown
CLOAK: Kader light brown ribbed fabric / Unitoy fluffy fabric

SMILE
SNAKE: Hard orange / Soft brown
CANE: Hard light brown / Hard dark brown
BELT: Thin, soft yellow brown w/double pin clasp
CLOAK: Light brown / Pinkish semi-ribbed fabric

Yoda Snake

The Yodfather

The Yodfather

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Temporary version until Wolff redoes in VV format

There are 4 main mould variations plus subvariants. More subvariants may exist. As a result of the fact that these were shot on a sprue tree in higher numbers the subvariants may vary heavily depending on the steelmold used.

M1: COLOUR COMPARISON

KADER HK/ KADER CHINA/ LILI LEDY

Kader: Soft light brown EPM (prone to green degradation)
Kader China: Soft mid brown EPM
Lili Ledy: Glossy mid brown EPM

M2: COLOUR COMPARISON

UNITOY / KADER CHINA

Unitoy: Rigid orange
Unitoy: Rigid brown
Kader China: Soft mid brown

M3: COLOUR COMPARISON

SMILE

Smile: Hard orange
Smile: Soft brown

M4: COLOUR COMPARISON

TOP TOYS

Yoda Cane

The Yodfather

The Yodfather

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Temporary version until Wolff redoes in VV format

There are 4 main mould variations plus subvariants. More subvariants may exist. As a result of the fact that these were shot on a sprue tree in higher numbers the subvariants may vary heavily depending on the steelmold used.

M1: COLOUR COMPARISON

KADER / KADER CHINA / LILI LEDY

Kader: Soft mid brown
Kader: Dark brown EPM
Kader China: Soft reddish-brown EPM
Lili Ledy: Hard reddish brown/dark brown EPM

M2: COLOUR COMPARISON

UNITOY / KADER CHINA

Unitoy: Hard light brown
Unitoy: Hard dark brown

M3: COLOUR COMPARISON

SMILE

Smile: Hard light brown
Smile: Hard dark brown

M4: COLOUR COMPARISON

TOP TOYS

Reproductions

Thomas Gill

Thomas Gill

Yoda has always been a hot character to collect, plenty of variants for focus collectors. This has to be probably the best repro cane I’ve came across.

For this example I’ve compared it to a LL cane. Has EPM and colour is good. Also sinks like the original counterpart.

Although the most accurate repro cane it still has major tells so shouldn’t be to hard to identify, though most pictures people use on sales post or eBay listings just aren’t good enough. Always ask for better pictures.

Tells include the cuts. Both ends are cut clean. Also there are many tiny air bubbles on these. They’re also more rigid than most canes.

Be safe!

Yoda Belt

The Yodfather

The Yodfather

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Temporary version until Wolff redoes in VV format

There are 4 main mould variations plus subvariants. More subvariants may exist. As a result of the fact that these were shot on a sprue tree in higher numbers the subvariants may vary heavily depending on the steelmold used.

M1: COLOUR COMPARISON

KADER / POCH / KADER CHINA / LILI LEDY

Kader: Hard mid brown EPM
Poch paint: Kader soft light brown EPM
Poch paint: Kader soft light brown EPM
Kader China: Soft mid brown EPM
Lili Ledy: Hard yellow-brown EPM

Need confirmation on the yellow-brown LL belt

M2: COLOUR COMPARISON

UNITOY / POCH / KADER CHINA

Unitoy: Hard grey brown
Poch paint: Unitoy hard grey brown
Kader China: Soft mid brown Unitoy

KADER CHINA – MARK TO ADD PIC

Meccano: Soft mid brown Unitoy w/bumps

M3: COLOUR COMPARISON

SMILE

Front: Thin w/double pin clasp
Back: Thin w/double pin clasp

M4: COLOUR COMPARISON

TOP TOYS